PW 24/7 Recap: Pierre Carl Ouellet – PCO Interview 3/28/19
Nick Anthony: Pierre Carl Ouellet joining us on the program NBC Sports Radio and I mean come on ROH World Tag Team Champion alongside Brody King, Pierre man you’ve got to be loving what’s happening here in your career
PCO: Yeah you can say Pierre Carl Ouellet or Perfect Solution One that just came up on last Sunday and yeah I’m loving it man and I’m so overwhelmed almost by my 2019 year signing with ROH is one of the best things I could have done for my career I had many offers from different companies that I don’t want to name because I promised I was not going to name any of them, but making that choice and going with them has been the perfect fit for me so far & I’ve done pretty well with that.
Nick: Has this current ride for you been the highlight for your career?
PCO: Yeah, absolutely. Even without ROH I would say 2018 the full year, being in-demand from every company in Canada and the United States wanted to book me and when I signed with ROH I had tons of bookings, but I signed exclusive to ROH and I had to cancel a lot of shows that people bought I was very professional, I paid for the airfares and the insurance and reimbursed them and things like that, I was very professional about it, but there are a lot of promoters that no matter what they wanted me to be there and I couldn’t do that and yeah 2018 was without a doubt the best year in my career, but since then, since signing with ROH in December it’s been another crazy ride and it’s been my best ride ever in my pro wrestling career.
Nick: Now listen I saw a short documentary on you which you can see on Youtube done by Kenny Johnson where you just told us about who you are and where you are now. One thing that I took away from that short doc was something you said about even if there were 2 or 3 people where you’re performing or in the crowd you’re still going to give everything you have no matter what whether it’s 2 or 3 or 100 that stuck with me a lot man
PCO: Yeah I mean that’s been my mindset since breaking into the business. I remember sometimes working with guys who were on top and working against them and sometimes they would say we’re working in New York there’s not too many people, it’s a house show, let’s take it easy tonight. I could not understand that, I could not understand why you would perform more for Monday Night Raw, or Smackdown or any pay per view than you would perform for a house show. In my mind I couldn’t believe that. I can see the side of the story of why kill yourself if it’s not going to mean that much, but I was brought up differently I guess, I don’t know. It’s one thing that I give everything I’ve got no matter when, no matter what, no matter what promotion the fans deserve it.
Nick: Yeah absolutely especially if a person is paying for a ticket to get in and see you and you give a half-assed show that says something. I definitely want to see a performer go all out if I’m paying top dollar to go see you, you know or any dollar
PCO: I see sometimes when guys would come out you know they’re going to have the big stage entrances or even the ROH shows with Honor Club and make the shows look so big and so huge sometime when you’re working for an indy company and you’ve reached that high the problem is you still have to go there and go perform and it’s like you said everybody there they paid for a ticket and to see you perform and yeah I just gave my all, all the time.
Nick: You’ve worked big crowds we all know that, that’s not an issue for you at all. Do you find smaller crowds to be harder for you or troublesome? For me personally I can get behind a mic and talk to millions of people everyday upon hours and hours, but you put me in a small room & I can’t talk to anyone and I’m shy trying to escape somehow. Is that the same thing for you?
PCO: Yeah it’s the same thing. I think as far as the shyness it’s just that sometimes you feel if there’s 200 people or 50 people or whatever the number is and you work so hard it’s hard to get a reaction because it’s such a huge place and the capacity is what you’ve got, but if you work a 20,000 seat then they’re all full and as soon as you hit something the crowd is going to go nuts. I think that’s what we love the most about big crowds is the instant reaction and you can feel the tension and they’re so hyped to be there and know it’s going to be a great show and are on the edge of their seats and that’s what makes it so good and cool, that’s what I like the most about huge crowds.
Nick: PCO you’ve worked for a number of promotions, you know the business inside and out I mean you’re a superstar. How has the business changed as a professional wrestler? We see it as wrestling fans, but as a professional wrestler what’s changed the most for you?
PCO: Well everything’s changed. You can’t really tell who’s a heel and who’s a face anymore, you can, but it’s not as clear defined. They want to see great performances, they want to see guys go out and give everything they’ve got and they like the competitiveness of it more than just rallying behind someone, sometimes it does happen that there’s a guy that’s clearly a heel or clearly a face, but it’s not as pronounced as it used to be and you’ve got so much more acrobatics than before, you’ve got 630, 550, you’ve got all kinds of stuff like a gainer moves like that, a double back moonsault, guys can walk from one side of the ring to the other on the top rope pretty easily, but that’s the nature of life in embracing changes you know. That’s what makes my success is I did embrace those changes, I was not like ok I know how it’s down I’m from that era and wrestling should be like that, if it’s not my way it’s not good, it’s bad wrestling. No, I totally embrace all the changes, I go with it. It creates new opportunities, I’m happy with the way the business is evolving. I can’t work the shoulder, go back to the shoulder, work it the whole match and finish him with a shoulder breaker. It’s not like that anymore, people are educated, people are watching MMA, they’re watching UFC they know if guys are going for an armbar for a certain amount of minutes and then the guy breaks loose and gives an ankle they’re going to go for an ankle lock. Psychology will always make sense and that didn’t change. You know how to paint a picture, you know how to tell a story. It’s still 2 guys or 4 guys or however many guys in whatever type of match it is you need to have the ability to tell a good story. That’s the basics that’s never going to change. It’s never going to change in movies, it’s never going to change in wrestling, but everything around that can evolve and change that doesn’t matter you have to embrace changes that’s the key to success and it creates opportunities.
Nick: Speaking of painting a picture or telling a story you guys were the masters of that back in the heyday. You told a story like no other inside the ring and outside the ring for that matter. Has any of the guys on the roster at ROH come to you for help in any of that situation?
PCO: Actually I’m the one that seeks help from others more than they do from me. I mean I’m the one that tries and pick everyone’s brain and try to come up with different ideas and things like that it’s the other way around. I feel like I’m not in the right because I’ve been in the business for a long period because like I said business has evolved so much, it’s not the 80s, 90s or 2000s anymore. It’s 2018, 2019, 2020 whatever. So when I came back in 2017 I felt like I’m fresh, I’m new and have to make the best of it with all the new rules, meaning the new way of doing things in pro wrestling and for me taking crazy bumps is part of the character, depending on the match and what’s happening, but there’s always a story there where people think ok he’s probably not coming back from this, he’s probably dead or the end of his career and just popping back and surprising everybody because this character is an extension of myself a guy that’s always courageous, that always came back from adversity and toughness and things hard to swallow that’s an extension of myself of what I’ve gone through in my career and my life so the story I’m trying to tell it’s about courage, passion, dedication, blood, sweat, being French and even Frankenstein, PCO that’s how I like to tell my stories.
Nick: The whole Scurll alliance of Villain Enterprises. I think it’s worth noting that this is a contract year for Marty Scurll in ROH & I’m sure they’re working hard on a new deal, but if that doesn’t happen PCO where do you go from there. Do you continue Villain Enterprises with King or at this stage in your career do you have a singles run in you?
PCO: I’ve heard rumors that Marty’s contract is up in April I’m not sure if that’s the case I didn’t even ask him. I don’t think it’s my business to ask him when his contract is up. I’ve seen rumors people think it’s April, maybe it’s November, June, July I don’t even know and to be honest with you, not that I don’t care because I want him to stay, I’ve got not power or control over the decision or what’s going to happen. All I can control is what’s going on right now and try and make the best of it, every single moment that I have. I have the challenge to be perform and to be there and I think there’s satisfaction that we’re three guys, Marty becomes I hope and wish him all the best and he becomes the ROH World Champion in Madison Square Garden at G1 Supercard. The thing between our faction, Villain Enterprises we want to get all the gold, all the belts, all the championships, all the titles between the 3 of us and it doesn’t matter if Brody can get the TV Title from Jeff Cobb or it’s myself or we have the Tag Titles with Brody King, sometimes I do tag with Marty, sometimes it’s all 3 of us as we won the Six Man Tag Team Titles from the Kingdom and that’s what’s great about it sometimes it’s 3 against 3, sometimes it’s me and Brody as a team, sometimes it’s me and Marty as a team, sometimes it’s me solo against one of the Briscoes, me and Mark not too long ago in Florida we had a 25 minute match. It doesn’t mean that Marty might win the title from Nick Aldis the NWA World Title, I really don’t know we’ll see how everything evolves, but I’m very very happy to be part of this faction I think it’s great because I’ve known Marty since 2008 when I went to England for a 4-year with my wife and she got pregnant and my daughter’s 10 years old right now which by the way I named her London while we were there, that’s a scoop by the way, it was just a coincidence, but the chemistry between me and Marty was already really good, never in my wildest imagination did I think that Marty Scurll was going to be in ROH in 2018 and wanted me and Brody King to join him, sometimes you do things in the past and look back and think I wasted a year in England if I look back from 2007 to 2018 I could relate with things back in the days the fight with WALTER and then being proposed the idea of Villain Enterprises with Marty Scurll and Brody King and said hell yeah. I’ve known Marty for a while and have always got along good with him & Brody I had feud with throughout all of 2018 for different indys so I knew him too and went ok this is the perfect deal & let’s do it
Nick: So at the G1 Supercard show April 6th Madison Square Garden a 4 Way Winner Take All for both the ROH World & IWGP Tag Team Titles
PCO: All the belts are on the line both for ROH & NJPW are up for grabs
Nick: It’s going to be exciting man & I can’t wait to see you there it’s going to be super exciting and dude I hope you all the best, I’m pulling for you, a huge fan of yours and thank you for coming on with us.
PCO: It’s been a pleasure, thank you for having me I’m very glad we had this chat and I want to say all the wrestlers will be at Madison Square Garden you might be tuning in on Honor Club or whatever
Nick: PCO it’s sold out at Madison Square Garden, can you believe that it’s crazy
PCO: The atmosphere is going to be insane in there, so crazy I can’t wait
Nick: So the way to watch PCO and the rest of the card is through Honor Club. PCO thanks for joining us, it’s the 4 Way: Guerillas of Destiny vs EVIL & SANADA vs The Briscoes vs PCO & Brody King live at G1 Supercard ROH & NJPW at Madison Square Garden April 6th WrestleMania Weekend. PCO thanks for joining us on the show. Pierre Carl Ouellet PCO joining us on the program, how about that man.